PHP 5: A Sign that PHP Could Soon be Owned by Sun (
Page 1 of 5 ) PHP 5’s official release occurred on July 13th with a complete re-haul of object-oriented programming features and improved MySQL functions. These are sure to be great additions to the package for PHP developers. However, many of the changes to PHP are hinting to something that may not necessarily be something PHP developers will like down the road.At first glance, the obvious changes to PHP are a result of the success of the Java platform and the weaknesses of PHP revealed when making a comparison. With the release of PHP 5, it's apparent that the developers of PHP and the Zend Engine (which are essentially one and the same) felt compelled to make PHP much more like Java with respect to object-oriented programming. With its new interoperability with Java, as it states on Zend’s web site, “full integration with Java will be closer than ever before.” Hmmm, full integration with Java, huh?
On November 4th, 2003, Zend, the Israeli company backing the development of PHP announced a strategic partnership with Sun. This deal also included advisors from Borland, Macromedia, MySQL and others. The purported purpose of this deal was to make PHP part of Sun’s web server and bring it to the corporate world of development that previously had been dominated by ASP and ColdFusion. Now with the release of PHP 5, it’s far more apparent which path PHP is taking.
| | Discuss PHP 5: A Sign that PHP Could Soon be Owned by Sun | | | | | | | While I found your article interesting, I can't help but think - why couldn't the... | | | | | | Well I dont know that you are wrong or the author is right. I think that its hard to... | | | | | | First, the people that develop Zend are part of the people that develop PHP. The... | | | | | | I thought this article actually brought up some interesting concerns - I would... | | | | | | Oh my gosh! McCarthy has come back from the dead and become an anti-open source... | | | | | | Every fact I write about is a fact. When I speculate, I say so. The quote came... | | | | | | I wrote the anonymous post above... wasn't logged in. heh ;)
But yes, if you read... | | | | | | Wow what a stretch. New improved PHP and the end of the world. Sun is a company that... | | | | | | spec·u·la·tion - n.
Contemplation or consideration of a subject; meditation.
A... | | | | | | I've never been as disappointed in a Dev Shed article. The jumps in thought... | | | | | | You are dissapointed in a article because it holds a different position than your... | | | | | | Could you explain in detail the jumps in logic?
What PHP is, is what it is. What... | | | | | | First up, thanks for the article. I found it informative and interesting. Second, to... | | | | | | Sorry, I still don't get it. You are saying Sun could possibly take control of a... | | | | | | Listen folks--
This article is an eye opener, it is the conjecture of one man. I... | | | | | | I like the fact that this article was an eye opener and whether you agree or not... | | | | | | I'm a little confused. If this article is saying PHP is like Java because of it's... | | | | | | The reason and only reason MySQL libraries are not included with PHP was due to... | | | | | | completely agree | | | | | | No, I was saying that PHP mimicked JAVA's object model so it could integrate with... | | | | | | You should ask yourself why they changed the license. According to MySQL it was... | | | | | | If PHP becomes a corporate shill, it isn't a positive thing, it isn't a negative... | | | | | | All the marketing vs. engineering talk about .NET obscures the fact that it does... | | | | | | I'm not sure of what you mean. If SUN gets control of PHP but leaves it open source... | | | | | | How would you like to have to run Sun's web server and only Sun's web server to run... | | | | | | PHP's basic objective is still to create easy to use tools, so what MySQL support is... | | | | | | Sure you can speculate here all you want, but of course it's simply illogical and... | | | | | | Ahhh... your all STUPID ASS CLOWNS!!!! | | | | | | Wow, someone finally got it. Thanks for the insight. I thought I was a stupid ass... | | | | | | S/He couldn't think critically and write as elequent as the big guys so s/he... | | | | | | Now that is the typical response a troll like you would give.
Look at the rating... | | | | | | What posts are you reading? There seems to be quite a lot people thinking critically... | | | | | | How come the article doesn't stress the fact that instead of bundling the MySQL... | | | | | | You need to separate corporate PR and fact. Zend does not in any way own PHP, nor... | | | | | | Wait a second... separate corporate PR from fact... are you saying... no... are you... | | | | | | ok! they are all stupid ass clowns, and you are stupid ass mime;-) | | | | | | What I noticed that Zend's press releases are pretty much found irritating by quite... | | | | | | That is wrong. There are a couple of reasons:
1. the license
2. we have a new... | | | | | | I forgot one:
4. Most people were using an external library anyway, as that is... | | | | | | Sun has invested too heavlity in JSP and the J2EE platform. So its more likely that... | | | | | | "If Sun has their eyes set on PHP to replace the turd JSP turned out to be".
I... | | | | | | ButtonHead - One who cannot think critically
"Mmmmmm... Need PHP code... Mmmmm...... | | | | | | "How would you like to have to run Sun's web server and only Sun's web server to run... | | | | | | Right on, I know what you mean, but when it came out, the big deal was separating... | | | | | | One thing is about licenses and legal, but other is about the result..
Sun could... | | | | | | LOL - IAN That has to be one of the funniest comments I have ever read. :) | | | | | | One problem with this article is the absence of precedent. I encourage the author... | | | | | | There doesnt have to be a precedent in order for something to take place. There is... | | | | | | I don't understand why an article with such an interesting subject would get such a... | | | | | | The Unisys GIF patent is an example of the type of activity I'm talking about. The... | | | | | | True, but that makes for a pretty weak argument, especially when the past has shown... | | | | | | When was the UNISYS gif patent licensed open-source? That's just an example of... | | | | | | Nevermind... I'm done clarifying my obvious points. So many people don't want to... | | | | | | I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm not attacking you. I'm simply giving you an... | | | | | | Proof of what? Where do I say hostile takeover? Where is the hijacking? If you read... | | | | | | I hate to use your own words against you, but here I go.
[i]We are talking about... | | | | | | One other thing, if it takes 5 readings to really understand your article, maybe you... | | | | | | PHP4's object system was badly broken - it didn't even have private methods. It was... | | | | | | "All that's being talked about is change and unfortunately so many people see change... | | | | | | [i]say these terrorists on camels figure out a way to pollute the PHP... | | | | | | I guess you could worry about Sun or Zend slipping some code into PHP that would... | | | | | | Actually, I think OO is a great feature. It does promote code reuse and easy... | | | | | | I agree,
nothing wrong in copying Java, but please only the OO design ...
oh... | | | | | | OK, good. As long as you aren't picking on me.
| | | | | | Very interesting article!
While some are looking at the minor changes as simple... | | | | | | IF what prophesised happpens it will be good in the long run!! | | | | | | I am no expert on the subtle/not-so-subtle actions of companies like Sun or Zend;... | | | | | | You seem to be under the impression that Sun is the one envying PHP. I believe it is... | | | | | | I agree | | | | | | I agree. Sure this is possible, but it is also technically possible that aliens will... | | | | | | This is an excellent point and I fully agree with it. | | | | | | ... | | | | | | A nice article this one. I too think it unlikely that a corporate would be able to... | | | | | | Tainting the code would imho be the only way to proprietarize PHP, if there appear... | | | | | | I'm not sure about the what the possibilities to PHP being consumed by Sun, and... | | | | | | Well, this comment was mine, I thought I logged in, but apparently not... I don't... | | | | | | now what they ever do php must remain free
so i suggest to begin a website for php... | | | | | | It's not so much the threat of paying for PHP, it's the threat of PHP shifting focus... | | | | | | It's not so much the threat of paying for PHP, it's the threat of PHP shifting focus... | | | | | | >>That sounds like hijacking to me. I know you didn't use the exact phrase, >>but... | | | | | | You miss the point again. Consider it de-programming. | | | | | | I WON! I Really won!!! | | | | | | Me too. I agree too. | | | | | | I hope PHP is not consumed by Sun, but I doubt it will happen. Sun won't be around... | | | | | | With all due respect, IMHO .Net is a vastly superior tool than JAVA. And... | | | | | | I'm not so worried about this. I am worried about PHP getting as unknowable as... | | | | | | Smalltalk was the first object oriented programming language. What about C++, C#,... | | | | | | Wow. | | | | | | Wow! Just tell them they're all about to be 0wn3d by Sun!
function... | | | | | | 1) Capital in businees needs to generate new capital. This isnt about evil or good,... | | | | | | I think the article presents and interesting possibility. The folks over at Zend... | | | | | | Now I know this is an old article and all, but all I have to say is wow. This is... | | | | | | what i woulda said. | | | | | | As someone who is just starting to develop with PHP and MySql this has been very... | | | | | | Well from what I have seen, read, experienced. JSP is no lighter than PHP and will... | | | | | | If the author knew anything about the history of computer languages he would know... | | | | | | PHP is to large of an open source project for us to have to worry about this. As... | | | | | | yahoo doesnt run all on php | | | | | | neither does excite | | | | | | Journey of Java had started so many years back.But PHP is baby still in front of... | | | | | | >>> Post your comment now! | | | | | |
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