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Why is PHP become more like Java, when the PHP developer community seems to want anything but that to happen? What is Zend thinking?WARNING: OPINION!
This article is the opinion of Ian Felton, who writes on a contract basis for the Developer Shed Network. This article also contains controversial thoughts and beliefs. If you are not prepared or willing to deal with thought provoking concepts, turn away now before its too late!
PHP5 has been unleashed to the developer community, boasting of an improved object model on the path of becoming "fully integrated with Java."
This comes with the recent partnering of PHP’s driving company, Zend, with Sun to create proprietary PHP software to work with Sun’s Web server. The re-writing of the object model is great, especially for Zend’s business plan and possibly for many Java developers. However, what does it all mean for the PHP community at large and their development needs?
Data from a Zend survey completed in June 2003 (when PHP5 was still in major development) showed that the characteristics of the PHP community didn’t necessarily match up with what was developed in PHP5. For example, with the ability to list three primary programming languages, only 18% of respondents named Java. It was named a primary programming language, on average, 18 times out of 300 possible chances. These results were from a pool of over 10,000 respondents. If such a small number of PHP users were involved with Java, what was the motivation to mimic Java’s object model and move toward making PHP coupled to Java?
In the Zend survey, 93% of respondents listed PHP as a primary language and 69% listed HTML. Both of these technologies were listed at least two to three times more often than any other technology. This makes sense because the very purpose of PHP is hypertext preprocessing, so of course the primary technologies used by PHP developers would be PHP, HTML, and JavaScript, technologies that are literally hypertext or deal directly with processing hypertext. With so few people involved with PHP having any involvement with Java, why has PHP adopted a replica of Java’s object model with the enthusiastic declaration that "full integration with Java will be closer than ever before"? Some people will say that the direction of PHP needs to incorporate a full-fledged object model in order to be a real language. However, is this anything more than a software mid-life crisis?
| | Discuss Conflict PHP | | | | | | | I have always said that one of PHP's greatest strengths is that it has the unique... | | | | | | I agree with this comment. I have found myself in a similar situation: PHP 5 came... | | | | | | Ya know, when I started using php i thought it was great. So I started moving me and... | | | | | | I started out making a form in php3. Idid not have any manual, did not know about... | | | | | | This reminds me exactly of what JSP when through.
1) Servlet (just code)
2) JSP... | | | | | | Is this not the same article published in Plug-In TWICE last year? Around August and... | | | | | | Yes, this article did run in September in Plug-in. In December, we ran a "Best of... | | | | | | People can still write procedural scripts. Nothing's changed.
A better OOP support... | | | | | | I think OOP support is essential to php, as well as the core simplicity. Mostly of... | | | | | | As others already have, I disagree with this article completely. By adding better... | | | | | | 90% Negative, because, of course, it's a crap-fest from a blinded Perl lover. | | | | | | I'm glad so many people have trounced this article. Besides being incredibly biased... | | | | | | This article is very much like the last one he wrote, complete crap.
I am amazed... | | | | | | I have to say it: This guy makes some valid points. There, I feel better now. ... | | | | | | Picking a random quote by way of example...
"Instead of focusing on integrating... | | | | | | Why I like PHP: You can get things done without a lot of overhead. It's easy to use,... | | | | | | I agree that Unicode support in PHP is lacking, as well as some other features, but... | | | | | | I'll agree that PHP's commercial strategy seems clueless. In fact, I've tried... | | | | | | I really had given up using PHP because of its lack of OO capabilities. Sure it has... | | | | | | I don't see how these two technologies are in any way comparable. They are meant for... | | | | | | I didn't want to respond to this again. I really didn't. I fought tooth and nail to... | | | | | | I agree with the article. PHP's strong points should be built upon, making it easier... | | | | | | For what its worth, well said Ian.
| | | | | | Your summaries didn't include my response Ian =)
Let it be clear that I have made... | | | | | | You are truly special.
Your argument doesn't provide one single, factual piece of... | | | | | | Do I detect hostility? I thought we were having a friendly debate. I'm done - I... | | | | | | No hostility (and I apologize for any ill-suited words I may have said to you). Just... | | | | | | There is a very large, quite vocal, and, most improtantly, large code-contributing... | | | | | | don't be such a smug OOP weenie. methods.that.look.like.this() aren't any... | | | | | | I have found many blog posts surfacing world-wide about my article. One blog in... | | | | | | It's interesting that one of the problems cited by Zend is "impractical integration"... | | | | | | I started using PHP after I had used ASP for some time. I found that my issues with... | | | | | | >>> Post your comment now! | | | | | |
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